PART 10/ Opdaterede Sol/Is/temp/hav data

pifpafpuf skrev:


Så basalt set holder alt logik op hvis ikke UAH falder under -0.2 inden for kort tidshorisont. 3 år?

Altså alt logik der ikke indeholder stærk co2 påvirkning....

Da der var vinter på SH 2018, der trak Antarktis temperaturer ned i globalt snit, nu kan det - hvis prognoser holder - gå hen og blive NH vinter 2018/19 der trækker globalt temperatur snit ned

Frank Lansner skrev:
Billedet herunder er måske et slags crash-billede: Vi ser stadig varme i Arktis men kulde gør sig bemærket mange steder over NH land.

http://www.klimadebat.dk/forum/vedhaeftninger/7dec12.png

kulden-varmen skrev:

Du må lige forstå hvad du ser på billedet. "Varmen" i Grønland og ved polerne er snevejr som stråler jordens varme ud i rummet. Og at kortet er fortegnet så Grønland er ligeså stort som Australien, ca. 3 gange for stort.

http://www.klimadebat.dk/forum/vedhaeftninger/7dec12.png

"New figures from the Office of National Statistics today show that the number of excess winter deaths exceeded 50,000 the highest on record since the winter of 1975/76. Over 15,000 of these deaths will be relatable directly to a cold home. "

"Today's excess winter death figures should be a huge shock to the system. The cost in human suffering and lost lives is a tragedy. "

"On top of these preventable deaths we know that many millions more people will have suffered the preventable health impacts of living in a cold and damp home, as well as resorting to harmful coping strategies."

Finally, and perhaps not surprisingly, now that I have the correct results, the trends of the converted CERES data and the two surface-station-based datasets are different. The trend of the CERES dataset is much closer to the trend of the UAH MSU lower troposphere dataset. Here are the decadal trends, land-only:

Berkeley Earth: 0.27 °C/dec

HadCRUT: 0.29 °C/dec

UAH MSU: 0.17 °C/dec

Converted Ceres: 0.16 °C/dec

And here are the trends of the ocean data:

Reynolds OI: 0.12 °C/dec

Converted Ceres: 0.14 °C/dec

UAH MSU: 0.11 °C dec

This agreement between the trends of the converted CERES temperature data with those two oceanic datasets strongly suggests that the land-station based datasets are trending high ... the CERES dataset agrees with the UAH MSU on both land and sea, and with the Reynolds UI SST at sea.

Where is the difference in trends between CERES and Berkeley Earth? As you might expect, it's generally where there are fewer surface temperature stations—the upper Amazon, central Africa, the Arctic ...

Willis please correct me if I am wrong, but I get the indication from the NASA website that CERES is not controlled by GISS and thus Gavin Schmidt. In the long run, GISS is in danger of becoming irrelevant because I predict that the main people in NASA will stop believing in CAGW and GISS will thus receive less funding while NASA itself will be the goto agency for climate science. Unfortunately NOAA and NCAR are CAGW believers however. If Gavin Schmidt has nothing to do with touching the CERES data, that gladens my heart.

Den kan du nok bortforklare, Frank?

I always get suspicious when I hear phrases like: "Greenland loses ice both when icebergs calve off glaciers..."
Our now dead Danish friend Svend-Erik from Greenland, told me back in 2007 that more calving is generally connected to more ice pressure. It is a bit like when you add more gravel to a pile of gravel, more and more gravel will calve out to the sides.
If the 1mm yearly SLR increase per year suddenly comes from Greenland, do we see this in sea level measurement? The authors of the study are probably too scared to show

Even most schoolchildren know that increased snowfall results in more ice being formed, which again gives more glacier movement and then more calving into the ocean. It is basic knowledge. But ask the alarmists when Greenland will have lost so much ice that the oceans rise with say 5 inches?

Det medførte, at indlandsisen kom styrket ud af sæsonen. Mens iskappen mistede 268 gigaton (268 mia. ton) is i gennemsnittet 2000-2016, var der en lille tilvækst af 44 Gt i 2017.

Til gengæld var sommeren kold med meget nedbør i Grønland, hvilket har styrket Indlandsisen. Og gletsjerne fortsætter de seneste seks års udvikling, hvor de samlet set stort set har bevaret deres areal.

2018

Kosmos skrev:

2018

- faldt over dette (vedhæftet).

CERES is a NASA-Langley project, not connected with GISS. The CERES folks are top-notch, and do a good job given the limitations of the hardware.

Hvis vi spørger de aller mest mest kloge, dem der syr kejserens klæder , så får vi, de andre forskere og alle at vide til bevidstløshed at det nu bare bliver meget værre. Og værre og værre. Og allermest værre. Slemt. Accelererende

Så er jeg måske også med hvad det er for en tilvækst i is I snakker om

(Men der har de seneste to 'sæsoner' været massetilvækst dér)

Betaler vi virkeligt DR for at præge os til at se tingene på en lidt anden måde end realiteten?