PART 9/ Opdaterede Sol/Is/temp/hav data

pifpafpuf skrev:
Havde for et par år siden en lille ordudveksling med Bugge omkring random-walk og klima.
Gad vide om det kan være jetstrømmen, der er den tilfældigt gående i klimasystemet?

pifpafpuf skrev:
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Du må meget gerne uddybe - måne og planeter?

Taipei City, Taipei's Tamsui District, Keelung, Hsinchu, Taoyuan's Xinwu District, and Dongji Island all set record low winter temperatures of between 6 and 7 degrees.

Snow is likely to accumulate further as temperatures continue to dip on Saturday

der har alle svarene der leder til CAGW, saa har vi brug for en som Morten Riber

Svensmark's new paper comes from experiments in an eight-cubic-meter (2,000 gallon) steel tank. By increasing the amount of electrically charged particles passing through the chamber, they were able to get more clouds to form out of teeny solid and liquid particles suspended in the chamber. Combining this with scientific modeling, they came up with further evidence that charged particles from space might influence the weather.

Naturally, this has come with hype, and implications that more cosmic rays might mean a cooler climate, and fewer could lead to a warmer climate. Svensmark has published previously on "cosmoclimatology," and climate change deniers have used his work to support their otherwise unsupported beliefs. He has suggested, implausibly, that his theory on the cause of climate change is at least as scientifically sound as global warming caused by greenhouse gas emissions. This idea has been further adopted by climate change-denying groups, reports Grist.

Hamish Gordon, research fellow at CERN in Geneva, Switzerland, works on a similar experiment called CLOUD, whose goal is to study this exact thing. Gordon did write in a statement that the experiment itself offers "an interesting and plausible result," and "if it stands up to more detailed scrutiny it may prove an important contribution to aerosol microphysics." But he felt that the news has blown his statements and the experiment's conclusions out of proportions. He took issue with a published statement of Svensmark's: "Finally we have the last piece of the puzzle explaining how particles from space affect climate on Earth."

Recent research from the CLOUD experiment as a whole stands in contrast to Svensmark's results, and found that, given the present day atmosphere and all of its particles, "cosmic ray intensity cannot meaningfully affect climate via nucleation." Basically, particles here on Earth released by trees and humans have a much stronger influence on cloud formation and creating Earth-cooling clouds.

It definitely appears that charged particles have some effect on cloud formation in a lab, sure. But global climate change can't been explained away that easily—especially given the truckloads of evidence that humans are driving it by emitting greenhouse gases.

The implications of the study suggests that the mechanism can have affected:

The climate changes observed during the 20th century
The coolings and warmings of around 2oC that have occurred repeatedly over the past 10,000 years, as the Sun's activity and the cosmic ray influx have varied.
The much larger variations of up to 10oC occuring as the Sun and Earth travel through the Galaxy visiting regions with varying numbers of exploding stars.

Morten Riber skrev:
Måske skyldes det hans kompetenceområde som ikke specielt er klimatologi.

NOAA's leading hurricane scientist, Chris Landsea, has recently published an analysis of Hurricane Harvey, and concludes that it is totally misleading to blame global warming for the record rainfall.

It's "misleading" to blame Hurricane Harvey's record rainfall, or hurricane rainfall in general, on man-made global warming, according to a National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) scientist.

"Linking hurricane rainfall to global warming today (and even decades from now) based upon such a tiny contribution is misleading," Christopher Landsea of the National Hurricane Center wrote in an analysis of the potential links between warming and Harvey.

"Moreover, such a fixation can delay steps that can be taken now to better mitigate the effects of extreme flooding from hurricanes," wrote Landsea, a veteran hurricane expert.

John Peter skrev:
John Niclasen har dokumenteret al den sne der nu daekker jorden, men han glemmer at alle de 'kloge' har et svar at 'the snow is caused by man made global warming'

og resultatet bliver at naar omkostninger til vind, solar and de dejlige pumper vi hoerer om bliver saa hoeje at folk omkommer af kulde saa er det ogsaa et resultat af global warming og mere skal goeres til at reducere CO2 saa vi ogsaa kan hindre at planter og frugt groer paa mangel af CO2.

John Niclasen skrev:

Kan du se hullerne i deres argumentation?

Vi må bekæmpe dette nonsens.
Lad der rulle hoveder.

Niels Olsen skrev:
Det er slet ikke skeptikerne, der skal bevise noget som helst, nej det er NKS og Crank, der må bære bevisbyrden. Hvad siger jeres ypperstepræst???
Måske kan I lalle efter. ARGUMENTER, tak

Frank123 skrev:
I 1987 var jeg på besøg i Taipei, Taiwan i februar måned.

Temperaturen var mellem 30 og 36 grader og med en enorm luftfugtighed. Hver dag ved middagstid væltede regnen ned i kaskader i en 1/2 times tid.

The weather caught authorities off guard. With roads uncleared, hundreds of people spent Tuesday night trapped in their vehicles or in improvised shelters outside Paris.

The snowfall — up to 6 inches in Paris — also brought excitement, with some Parisians putting on their skis to tackle the Montmartre slopes, where the Sacre Coeur basilica is located.

In anticipation of the cold, a plan called "Grand Froid" — "Big Cold" — had been launched earlier this week in 22 departments in order to create about 1,000 extra housing places for homeless people.

Paris averages 15 snow days a year, but it rarely gets more than a dusting. Tuesday night's snowfall was said to be the heaviest accumulation since 1987.

Det er lidt det samme, som sker, når vi sveder.

crank skrev:

Niels Olsen skrev:
Det er slet ikke skeptikerne, der skal bevise noget som helst, nej det er NKS og Crank, der må bære bevisbyrden. Hvad siger jeres ypperstepræst???
Måske kan I lalle efter. ARGUMENTER, tak

Niels >
Prøv at se i fjernsynet eller læs avisen eller bare kig ud ad vinduet.
Argumenterne er lige der.
Det virker (på mig) absurd, at det er virkeligheden, der skal argumentere for, at den ikke er et komplot imod jer fortrængere.

Eller hvad?



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Niels Olsen skrev:

crank skrev:

Niels Olsen skrev:
Det er slet ikke skeptikerne, der skal bevise noget som helst, nej det er NKS og Crank, der må bære bevisbyrden. Hvad siger jeres ypperstepræst???
Måske kan I lalle efter. ARGUMENTER, tak

Niels >
Prøv at se i fjernsynet eller læs avisen eller bare kig ud ad vinduet.
Argumenterne er lige der.
Det virker (på mig) absurd, at det er virkeligheden, der skal argumentere for, at den ikke er et komplot imod jer fortrængere.

Eller hvad?

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John sender udkig fra vinduet til hele verden, der virker temmelig kold, men visse fortrænger alle kendsgerninger og det er egentlig ikke mig. Kom med noget relevant, hvis du ved, hvad ordet betyder.
For Krank er KAPITALISMEN skyld i alt også selvom de værste miljøsvin befandt sig øst for jerntæppet.

crank skrev:

Niels Olsen skrev:

crank skrev:

Niels Olsen skrev:
Det er slet ikke skeptikerne, der skal bevise noget som helst, nej det er NKS og Crank, der må bære bevisbyrden. Hvad siger jeres ypperstepræst???
Måske kan I lalle efter. ARGUMENTER, tak

Niels >
Prøv at se i fjernsynet eller læs avisen eller bare kig ud ad vinduet.
Argumenterne er lige der.
Det virker (på mig) absurd, at det er virkeligheden, der skal argumentere for, at den ikke er et komplot imod jer fortrængere.

Eller hvad?

.

John sender udkig fra vinduet til hele verden, der virker temmelig kold, men visse fortrænger alle kendsgerninger og det er egentlig ikke mig. Kom med noget relevant, hvis du ved, hvad ordet betyder.
For Krank er KAPITALISMEN skyld i alt også selvom de værste miljøsvin befandt sig øst for jerntæppet.

At man er anti-kapitalist gør hverken en til kommunist eller terrorist eller andet spøjst, du kan finde på.



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