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18-05-2008 10:19
rick_uk
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National Snow and Ice Date Center: "Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis"

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/index.html


"Arctic sea ice forecasts point to lower-than-average season ahead" (5/5-08)

Estimating Arctic sea ice extent for September 2008 extent based on past conditions:

..the ice cover this spring shows an unusually large proportion of young, thin first-year ice; about 30% of first-year ice typically survives the summer melt season, while 75% of the older ice survives.

For a simple estimate of the likelihood of breaking last year's September record, we can apply survival rates from past years to this year's April ice cover. This gives us 25 different estimates, one for each year that we have reliable ice-age data (see Figure 2).

To avoid beating the September 2007 record low, more than 50% of this year's first-year ice would have to survive; this has only happened once in the last 25 years, in 1996.



Vh rick

Vi har hørt varslerne. Klokken tikker....Informerede valg.
29-05-2008 09:20
Frank Lansner
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@ja, Rick, det er spændende hvad der sker iår idet arktiske såvel som antarktis.

Men her et citat fra Kaptajnen på en isbryder der sejlede med en trup af miljøforkæmpere der skulle op og se på det arktiske hav hvor isen er "ved at være historie":

What irony. I am a passenger on one of the most powerful icebreakers in the world, travelling through the Northwest Passage - which is supposed to become almost ice-free in a time of global warming, the next shipping route across the top of the world - and here we are, stuck in the ice, engines shut down, bridge deserted. Only time and tide can free us.


Egentligt også sjovt med de 2 vejrstationer på Antarktis der nu ligger under 100-150 m is...
30-05-2008 23:29
branner
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Christian Friis Bach, international chef i Folkekirkens Nødhjælp, om Bjørn Lomborgs/Copenhagen Consensus' seneste liste over verdens udfordringer:

"At prioritere mellem udfordringer og løsninger, som om de er uafhængige, svarer til at prioritere det ene ben over det andet uden at anerkende, at man skal bruge to ben for at kunne gå."
[...]
"Hvis økonomer gerne vil gå i cirkus, så er dette det bedste cirkus i byen."

(Fra DR Nyheder)
Redigeret d. 30-05-2008 23:30
31-05-2008 00:20
rick_uk
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Enig, Frank. "What an irony":

"Varmeste og vådeste vinter i vejrhistorien" (27/2-07)

http://www.dmi.dk/dmi/varmeste_og_vaadest_vinter_i_vejrhistorien

"Den kraftige snestorm over Danmark i februar 2007" (20/2-07)

http://vejret.tv2.dk/article.php/id-6161216.html

Et par af mine bekendte skulle tilbringe natten i varevognen - grunden sne mængden!


"Masser af is mellem Grønland og Canada" (7/2-08)

http://www.dmi.dk/dmi/masser_af_is_mellem_groenland_og_canada

Og: "Nuuk damper i kulden" (11/2-08)

http://www.dmi.dk/dmi/nuuk_damper_i_kulden

Det bidende grønlandske vintervejr understreges af en ny officiel kulderekord for februar i Kangerlussuaq. Den 10. februar klokken 18 UTC nåede termometret ned på minus 46,8°C. Den - på dagen og timen - 24 år gamle rekord lød på minus 46,4°C. Det absolut laveste DMI har målt i Kangerlussuaq er minus 47,2°C den 4. januar 1983, men data-serien er ikke så lang. Tidligere skulle en amerikansk station i området have målt tempetaturer under minus 50°C!


Alt imens:

"Svedetur får Grønland til at tabe sig" (13/2-08)

http://vejret.tv2.dk/article.php/id-10399931.html


det gælder om at holde øje med det store billede..



Vh rick

Vi har hørt varslerne. Klokken tikker....Informerede valg.
01-06-2008 10:18
Kosmos
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At prioritere mellem udfordringer og løsninger, som om de er uafhængige, svarer til at prioritere det ene ben over det andet uden at anerkende, at man skal bruge to ben for at kunne gå.

- det lyder jo gevaldigt 'voksent og følsomt'!
Men lur mig om ikke hr. Bach i realiteten ofte tvinges til at 'prioritere det ene ben over det andet', når han skal allokere 'Nødhælpens' (særdeles) begrænsede ressourcer: Da vil utvivlsomt også han se sig nødsaget til at skønne over, såvel hvor nøden/behovet (på kortere såvel som på længere sigt) er størst, som over hvor 'nyttevirkningen' er størst! I realiteten go' gammeldaws utilitarisme!
RE: "Why are green advocates failing in climate debate?"01-06-2008 11:13
Kosmos
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Final results: Among 1292 voters, 64% think that it's because the greens are wrong and one can't defend wrong statements well; 18% think that they're overwhelmed by their "religion" or big ideas and can't see and learn the "details"; 9% think that they're obsessed with the change that prevents them from seeing the status quo (the previous two groups have twenty-seven percent in total); 5% think that the greens are not under the same pressure that forces the skeptics to be good to survive; 4% think that the greens are more ignorant or more stupid; 1% think that the greens have less at stake; 0% or 2 participants think that the greens are less passionate.

- læs videre her, hvis I altså har fået morgenkrydderen i sikkerhed under drøvlen!
RE: Ingen spørgsmål tak!13-06-2008 08:13
sio2
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Vi må med andre ord holde op med at stille spørgsmålstegn ved, om den globale opvarmning er en kendsgerning, og om mennesker i givet fald er de skyldige. Den snak er for længst passé i klimaforskerkredse


Af Lars Henrik Aagaard
Mandag den 19. maj 2008 kl. 17:18, Berlinske tidende

Det er jo rart at der er nogen der er så sikker så vi andre bare skal tie!!

Henrik
13-06-2008 09:11
Kosmos
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Det er jo rart at der er nogen der er så sikker så vi andre bare skal tie!!

- så sandt! Men du behøver såmænd slet ikke bevæge dig 'så langt bort' som til Berlingeren for at finde 'talspersoner m/k' for samme synspunkt!
13-06-2008 22:36
rick_uk
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At the end of the 170-country talks in Bonn on progress towards a new deal by the end of 2009 ( Copenhagen December 2009) to slow climate change.

Yvo de Boer, head of the U.N. Climate Change Secretariat:

The road ahead of us is daunting...It is crucial that the next stage of meetings produce concrete negotiating texts


India's Chandrashekhar Dasgupta:

It could well be said that we have been beating around the bush


Norwegian official Harald Dovland:

The pace was slow and difficult


Bill Hare of Greenpeace:

The agenda has never been bigger, progress has never been slower


Aysar Tayeb of Saudi Arabia:

The unfortunate reality of the situation is that we are not making progress


http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSL1281917020080613?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=10112


Vh rick

Vi har hørt varslerne. Klokken tikker....Informerede valg.
24-06-2008 12:09
Frank Lansner
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"We've realigned the observations and as a result the models agree with the observations much better than previously,"
said Church, a senior research scientist with the climate centre.

http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSSP19507720080619?feedType=RSS&feedName=environmentNews
25-06-2008 22:10
rick_uk
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James Hansen, chef for Goddard Institute for Space Studies i New York, som hø­rer under den amerikanske rumfartsadministration (Nasa) juni 2008:

For præcist 20 år siden sagde jeg her i Kongressen, at det er 99 pct. sikkert, at de globale klomaforandringer er forårsaget af menneskelige aktiviteter. Det standpunkt står jeg stadig fast ved. Det eneste, som har ændret sig siden 1988, er, at vi har langt mindre manøvrefrihed end dengang.

Det er stadig muligt at redde skabelsesprocessen, civilisationen på vores planet, men kun lige.

Det er næsten, men ikke helt, for sent at desarmere den globale tidsbombe.

http://www.information.dk/161290


Vh rick

Vi har hørt varslerne. Klokken tikker....Informerede valg.
25-06-2008 23:40
Kosmos
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Det er stadig muligt at redde skabelsesprocessen, civilisationen på vores planet, men kun lige.

- eller med lidt andet ordvalg:

We believe that the protection of life on Earth is a profound moral imperative. It addresses without discrimination the interests of all humanity as well as the value of the non-human world. It requires a new moral awakening to a compelling demand, clearly articulated in Scripture and supported by science, that we must steward the natural world in order to preserve for ourselves and future generations a beautiful, rich, and healthful environment. For many of us, this is a religious obligation, rooted in our sense of gratitude for Creation and reverence for its Creator.

(Kilde)
01-07-2008 22:21
rick_uk
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Mark Serreze. Research Professor, Geography. Senior Research Scientist. National Snow and Ice Data Center:

It is a great irony that the melting of the ice cap could give us access to yet more fossil fuels that will accelerate climate change even further.

I suspect the only thing that is going to stop humanity wrecking the planet is when we get hit by some serious ecological disasters, and by then it may well be too late.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article4232375.ece


Vh rick

Vi har hørt varslerne. Klokken tikker....Informerede valg.
RE: Bemærkelsesværdigt gammelt citat...10-07-2008 14:53
manse42
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Faldt lige over denne og ville dele den med andre...

Det faktum at en troende er lykkeligere end en skeptiker er ikke alderledes fra det faktum, at en fuld mand er lykkeligere end en der er ædru. Godtrohedens salighed er en tarvelig og farlig egenskab.
-Bernard Shaw

10-07-2008 17:48
Frank Lansner
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I needed to explain the Pacific Decadal Oscillation to this IPCC lead author, who leans heavily on claims that Alaska is melting and who had earlier in the day demanded — on tape — to know what the PDO was.



Til tider hylende morsom berretning om en lidt for klog tilskuer til IPCC debatmødet

http://planetgore.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MWE0NTNlMmI4Mjg0OGRlMmI5MjAxMDM0ZjRkOTdhYjE=
(pludseligt ville IPCC-guruen ikke svare fordi denne mand i salen ikke havde PHD... vi må gå ud fra at alle de andre spørgere havde PHD
)
Redigeret d. 10-07-2008 17:50
10-07-2008 20:51
rick_uk
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Government of India - National Action Plan on Climate Change (juni 2008):

India is faced with the challenge of sustaining its rapid economic growth while dealing with the global threat of climate change. This threat emanates from accumulated greenhouse gas emissions in the atmosphere, anthropogenically (menneskeskabt) generated through long-term and intensive industrial growth and high consumption lifestyles in developed countries

Overview:
http://pmindia.nic.in/Pg01-52.pdf


Vh rick

Vi har hørt varslerne. Klokken tikker....Informerede valg.
Redigeret d. 10-07-2008 21:01
13-07-2008 10:18
rick_uk
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Ted Scambos (National Snow and Ice Data Center). A possible reason for the ongoing (winter!) break up of the Wilkins Ice Shelf in Antarctica (10/7-08):

The persistently low sea ice cover in the area and data from some interesting sources, electronic seal hats [caps worn by seals that provide temperature, depth and position data] seems to suggest that warm water beneath the halocline may be reaching the underside of the Wilkins Ice Shelf and thinning it rapidly - and perhaps reaching the surface, or at least mixing with surface waters

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080710115142.htm


Vh rick

Vi har hørt varslerne. Klokken tikker....Informerede valg.
21-07-2008 22:16
rick_uk
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Blogsfære (16/7-08):

The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming.


http://www.dailytech.com/Myth+of+Consensus+Explodes+APS+Opens+Global+Warming+Debate/article12403.htm

Er der en der kan pege på 'sandheden' bag denne rystende afsløring?

(Branner: Indlægget passer muligvis bedre i tråden "Klimadebatens fordrejninger og forfalskninger"
)


Vh rick

Vi har hørt varslerne. Klokken tikker....Informerede valg.
22-07-2008 11:02
Frank Lansner
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@Rick citerer

The persistently low sea ice cover in the area and data from some interesting sources, electronic seal hats [caps worn by seals that provide temperature, depth and position data] seems to suggest that warm water beneath the halocline may be reaching the underside of the Wilkins Ice Shelf and thinning it rapidly - and perhaps reaching the surface, or at least mixing with surface waters


Hvis jeg forstår ret, så kan varmt vand krybe under tusinder kilometer hav is af få meters tykkelse for der efter at dukke op lige nøjagtigt nede ved Wilkinson isflagen (1 km tyk?) og smelte den derudaf? Uden at den blot få meter tykke havis rundt om gør andet end at fryse derudaf? Altså det varme vand dirigeres som en tynd stråle op lige nøjagtigt på den lille wilkinsonflage?

Og værre bliver det:
Check havtemperaturerne omkring antarktis:
http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SST/data/anomnight.7.21.2008.gif

Godt, så spørger jeg: Når nu ALT HAV HELE VEJEN OMKRING ANTARKTIS ER KOLDERE END NORMALT, HVOR KOMMER DENNE PRÆCISIONSMÅLSØGENDE WILKINSONDESTRUCTOR HOTWAVE SÅ FRA???

Absurd!

Rick, godt du puttede dette ind under "bemærkelsesværdige citater".

Iøvrigt ses på nærbilleder af isen ved wilkinson kun tegn på brud, ingen tegn på afsmeltning.
Redigeret d. 22-07-2008 11:30
22-07-2008 19:43
Frank Lansner
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@Rick
- og lige til dit næste indlæg.
Ok, det viste sig EFTERFØLGENDE at APS var internt uenige.
Man når man læser følgende:
http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/editor.cfm
There is a considerable presence within the scientific community of people who do not agree with the IPCC conclusion that anthropogenic CO2 emissions are very probably likely to be primarily responsible for the global warming that has occurred since the Industrial Revolution.

osvosv.

Er det så en "forfalskning" atr gengive dette??
Hvis der på ICECAP eller andre sceptic sites pludseligt stod at der var mange i deres bagland der tildels var alarmister, tror du så ikke at IPCC fløjen ville gengive dette? Det tror jeg. Og de citater jeg har set er helt ordrette.

Men påstanden om at APS editors indlæg ikke skulle være gennemgået etc før puplicereing derimod ser ud til at være en fordrejning om noget!

Rick, prøv noet nyt, prøv at læse lidt om denne historie set fra den anden side:
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/american-physicists-warned-not-to-debate-global-warming/
22-07-2008 20:07
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@Frank Lansner

Her er Lord Monckton's e-mail svar til Bob, spørgsmålet lød...Er den artikel peer-reviewed?

Det er iøvrigt kun en undergruppe af APS der er enige med Monckton's konklusion.


"Dear Lord Monckton:

Was the paper you wrote peer reviewed or is the commenter below right?

Kindest Regards,
Bob


Oh, yes, it was peer-reviewed, all right, and by no less a personage than one of the editors, an eminent professor of physics, who went through it with a fine-tooth comb and then sent me a long list of reviewer's comments, asking - rightly - that I should explain the derivation of every equation so that a non-climatological physicist could understand exactly what was going on. My amendments in the light of his questions lengthened the paper from 5000 to 8000 words, making it easily the largest paper they've published. The only sense in which it was not peer-reviewed is that the editors did not send it out to a third party for his comments. However, one is surely splitting hairs here - one editor commissioned the paper and liked the first draft very much: the other editor then reviewed it and also liked it very much, and was therefore prepared to devote some considerable time and effort to reviewing it and recommending revisions and clarifications, which I was of course happy to provide.

However, we must stand by the editors here: the APS is plainly furious with them for having allowed free speech on a subject that had been declared closed. It will no doubt dawn on the APS in due course that the correct response, rather than red-flagging the paper as they have, and rather mendaciously stating that the paper was not peer-reviewed, is to invite an alarmist to tear it to shreds in the next issue. I'm sure that is what will happen, and will be interested to see the extent (if any) to which the demolition of my equations is done ad rem rather than ad hominem. - C"
RE: "Stenalderen ophørte da heller ikke pga mangel på sten !"22-07-2008 20:12
gorm
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"Stenalderen ophørte da heller ikke pga mangel på sten !"


- hørt i energi-debatten, vedr. vor bevidstløse brug af kulstof-baseret energi.

Der er nemlig brug for, at vi går et niveau op i forfining af teknologi og kvalitet !

22-07-2008 20:53
Kosmos
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Der er nemlig brug for, at vi går et niveau op i forfining af teknologi og kvalitet !

- og deri kan vist langt de fleste erklære sig enige(?) {Om så end den direkte sammenhæng med 'Overordnet om klimaændringer' kan være lidt svær at se!
}
22-07-2008 22:14
rick_uk
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Re:

The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change


APS Climate Change Statement.
APS Position Remains Unchanged.

The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18, 2007:

"Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate."

An article at odds with this statement recently appeared in an online newsletter of the APS Forum on Physics and Society, one of 39 units of APS. The header of this newsletter carries the statement that "Opinions expressed are those of the authors alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of the APS or of the Forum." This newsletter is not a journal of the APS and it is not peer reviewed.


http://www.aps.org/

American Physical Society Climate Change Statement:

National Policy
07.1 CLIMATE CHANGE
(Adopted by Council on November 18, 2007)

Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate. Greenhouse gases include carbon dioxide as well as methane, nitrous oxide and other gases. They are emitted from fossil fuel combustion and a range of industrial and agricultural processes.

The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth's physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.

Because the complexity of the climate makes accurate prediction difficult, the APS urges an enhanced effort to understand the effects of human activity on the Earth's climate, and to provide the technological options for meeting the climate challenge in the near and longer terms. The APS also urges governments, universities, national laboratories and its membership to support policies and actions that will reduce the emission of greenhouse gases.


http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/07_1.cfm

Blogsfære:

The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change...

Klimadebatens fordrejninger og forfalskninger?? Lad læserne træffe deres eget konklusion



Vh rick

Vi har hørt varslerne. Klokken tikker....Informerede valg.
22-07-2008 22:45
Frank Lansner
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Hej Rick!
Jeg er helt enig: Udlægningen
"The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change... "

er ikke korrekt!! Det blev dog skrevet FØR serien af demensti-moddementi-dementi-moddementi startede og man kun havde:
http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/editor.cfm

Jeg er af den mening, at når APS dementerer bør man rette I bloggen ligeså – det kan der vel ikke være 2 meninger om. Men man ser sjældent den slags tilbageretninger gjort af nogen af fløjene. Således har specielt "Realclimate" en bunke stof der hviler på forældede data osv uden at gøre noget ved det.

Jeg synes at Antony Watts er bedre i sin tilgang idet han citerer ordret i stedet. Men fik du læst tingene set fra den anden side?
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/american-physicists-warned-not-to-debate-global-warming/

Bemærk, Rick, Jeg har intet problem med at sige at skeptikerne ikke altid gør tingene rigtigt. - Men hvordan kan det være at jeg aldrig ser dig give din modpart ret i noget som helst? Begge parter er jo af kød og blod og fejler nogen gange?

Undskyld jeg spørger men jeg undrer mig bare i mit stille sind.
Redigeret d. 22-07-2008 22:47
22-07-2008 23:01
Frank Lansner
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- men hovhov Rick.. Dit citat
The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change...


Er jo taget ud af en længere sætning ?!

Og den fulde ordlyd er unægteligt noget andet end dit udklippede citat her fotsættelsen:

... and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming. The APS is also spon-soring public debate on the validity of global warming science. The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming "incontrovertible."

http://www.dailytech.com/Myth+of+Consensus+Explodes+APS+Opens+Global+Warming+Debate/article12403.htm#cmt322815

Så altså RICK der står jo ikke at APS har reversed stance on climate change. Punktum! Nej der står at de nu siger at deres medlemmer har blandede meninger, og det er godt noget noget andet, Rick. Come on!!

Og det skrev de på baggrund af: http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/editor.cfm

Undskyld men det kunne da nemt tolkes som så og det var som sagt før nogen former for dementi kom frem.
Redigeret d. 22-07-2008 23:07
22-07-2008 23:16
rick_uk
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Hele citatet er nemt tilgængelig her i tråden. Er vi nu blevet uenig over en '.' eller en '...'



Men hvordan kan det være at jeg aldrig ser dig give din modpart ret i noget som helst? Begge parter er jo af kød og blod og fejler nogen gange

Lidt her:

http://www.klimadebat.dk/forum/lidt-om-mit-staasted--d14-e82.php
25-07-2008 07:51
rick_uk
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Glar citeret Monckton ovenfor re:

http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/monckton.cfm

It will no doubt dawn on the APS in due course that the correct response, rather than red-flagging the paper as they have, and rather mendaciously stating that the paper was not peer-reviewed, is to invite an alarmist to tear it to shreds in the next issue. I'm sure that is what will happen, and will be interested to see the extent (if any) to which the demolition of my equations is done ad rem rather than ad hominem.


Looks like the RealClimate boys have been faster on the draw:

We are a little late to the party, but it is worth adding a few words now that our favourite amateur contrarian is at it again. As many already know, the Forum on Physics and Society (an un-peer-reviewed newsletter published by the otherwise quite sensible American Physical Society), rather surprisingly published a new paper by Monckton that tries again to show using rigorous arithmetic that IPCC is all wrong and that climate sensitivity is negligible. His latest sally, like his previous attempt, is full of the usual obfuscating sleight of hand, but to save people the time in working it out themselves, here are a few highlights....


http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/07/once-more-unto-the-bray/langswitch_lang/ho#more-583

Godt at kommentere fra sagkyndige er tilgængelig til os lægmænd.
Så kan vi kikke på begge sider af sagen, og så bedømme hvad vi anser for at være 'rigtig videnskab' eller 'junk science'.

I bund og grund, dem af os som ikke er uddannet til at forstå videnskaben i klimadebaten, må bruge de almen evner vi alle sammen har (og bruger hele tiden i hverdagen) til at bedømme hvem det er der prøver at køre om hjørner med os...
25-07-2008 22:07
Michael
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http://politiken.dk/archive/00223/No_name_223842c.jpg
29-07-2008 08:15
MikaelHProfilbillede★★☆☆☆
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Dr. Leonardo DiCaprio om 'The 11th Hour':
I want the public to be very scared by what they see. I want them to see a very bleak future. I want them to feel disillusioned halfway through and feel hopeless.


Al Gore på Baptisternes årsmøde:
If we heap contempt on God's creation, that is inconsistent with glorifying God.

The ancient prophet laid the choice before the people. Life or death, blessings or curses. Therefore choose life so both thou and thy seed may live.

The evidence is there. The signal is on the mountain. The trumpet has blown. The scientists are screaming from the rooftops. The ice is melting. The land is parched. The seas are rising. The storms are getting stronger. Why do we not judge what is right?

This is our home. We will make our stand here. It is at risk. It is not ours. The earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof.
29-07-2008 10:03
Frank Lansner
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@MikaelH
- tak skal du have

Man savner virkeligt de dage hvor videnskab var videnskab og ikke psykologiske jerngreb på forsvarsløse befolkningsgrupper. Det er godt nok uhyggeligt.

The ice is melting: No its not.
The seas are rising: No, not the last few years.
The scientists are screming from the rooftops: Yes, 31.000 scientist lately together signed a petition against this mass pseudoscience religion.

Yes our homes are at risk if the love a free world with no pseudo science religieon thats even trying to strangle the right to speak against them.

Indtil videre har alarmisterne formået at hypnotisere en verden til at tro at nordpolen er så godt som isfri selvom det på INGEN måde er tilfældet i virkelighedens verden. Hypnotiseret veden til at tro at CO2 i et eller andet omfang har vist sig i atmosfæren at have en effekt (i de højere luftlag) hvilket på INGEN måde har holdt stik.
Hypnotiseret verden til at tro at Antarktis smelter alt imens det kontinent gennem 30 år er blevet langsomt men sikert koldere.
Hypnotiseret verden til at tro at varmen fra 1978-1998 har medført trussel mod isbjørne der fra 1975 til idag har øget deres population med 500%

Der er kun en kur mod denne sygdom: Intens kulde i så lang tid at knuden dør.

Ingen fornuft batter længere i denne ubehagelige debat hvor metoder synker dybere og dybere.
29-07-2008 10:19
MikaelHProfilbillede★★☆☆☆
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Ja, alle ved jo godt at Al Gore er religiøs og politiker, men hvad der er skræmmende, er at folk hopper på den. Eller måske ikke? Det er f.eks. ikke uden grund, at man bruger DiCaprio, når mange unge i forvejen har lagt sig flade - især piger


Lige så lidt som intellektet skal lytte og lade sig påvirke af disse selverklærede profeter, skal man også undlade at lade sig påvirke den anden vej af det samme. Men det er jo svært, når der fokuseres så meget på personen og den magt de har. Mange videnskabsmænd bliver fanget i dette spil...
Redigeret d. 29-07-2008 10:20
29-07-2008 15:47
MikaelHProfilbillede★★☆☆☆
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Mark C. Serreze - 1993:
In particular, we do not observe the large surface warming trends predicted by models; indeed, we detect significant surface cooling trends over the western Arctic Ocean during winter and autumn. This discrepancy suggests that present climate models do not adequately incorporate the physical processes that affect the polar regions.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v361/n6410/abs/361335a0.html


Mark C. Serreze - 2008:
Some skeptics of global warming have also suggested that the melt is part of a cyclical process. Flat out wrong, says Serreze. He explains, "It's not cyclical at this point. I think we understand the physics behind this pretty well. We've known for at least 30 years, from our earliest climate models, that it's the Arctic where we'd see the first signs of global warming."
Serreze says, "It's a situation where we hate to say we told you so, but we told you so.
http://www.dailytech.com/Global+Warming+to+Melt+North+Pole+Ice+Cover+For+First+Time+in+Recorded+History/article12218.htm




Redigeret d. 29-07-2008 15:48
31-07-2008 13:40
Frank Lansner
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Fra en blog:
If the ice were melting, then the ice cover would be retracting, not expanding and breaking off. The fact that ice is being pushed into the sea means that there is pressure behind the ice, usually from precipitation [snow], piling up and forcing the ice out, where it eventually breaks off into the sea. The same thing happens when a glacier expands: a build up of ice pressure pushes the glacier out.

This is indicative of cooling, not warming.
03-08-2008 01:51
kulden-varmenProfilbillede★★★★★
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Frank Lansner skrev:

Der er kun en kur mod denne sygdom: Intens kulde i så lang tid at knuden dør.


Ja men kulden er også et resultat af global opvarmning, da den giver mere ekstremt vejr.
03-08-2008 09:53
MikaelHProfilbillede★★☆☆☆
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It is impossible to reason a person out of positions they have not been reasoned into.

It doesn't help that NASA scientist James Hansen was one of the early alarmists claiming humans caused global warming. Hansen is a political activist who spreads fear even when NASA's own data contradict him.

- Walter Cunningham, Astronaut


Cunninghams syn på global opvarmning og NASAs rolle kan læses i denne nye artikel:
http://launchmagonline.com/index.php/Viewpoint/In-Science-Ignorance-is-not-Bliss.html
29-08-2008 23:31
MikaelHProfilbillede★★☆☆☆
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I forbindelse med COP15 vil Connie Hedegaard købe CO2-kvoter for at dække deltagernes "forurening", og i Berlingske citeres der:

Projekterne skal godkendes af eksperter og af FN, påpeger Connie Hedegaard, og metoden med at købe sig til udledninger ved at bedrage til reduktioner andre steder i verden er i overensstemmelse med klimaaftalen fra Kyoto.
http://www.berlingske.dk/article/20080828/klima/80828045/

Om det er klimaministerens egne ord, stavefejl, journalistens tanker ... eller formålet med Kyoto - vides ikke

Redigeret d. 29-08-2008 23:34
30-08-2008 09:25
Kosmos
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og metoden med at købe sig til udledninger ved at bedrage til reduktioner andre steder i verden

- ja, 'vor Freud' har så visseligt ikke levet forgæves!
02-09-2008 19:21
Karoline Kristensen
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KNR skriver på hjemmesiden, www.knr.gl
Mandag 01. september 2008 kl. 09:30

citat:

"Nordpolen er blevet til en ø

RETTET: For første gang i menneskehedens historie er Nordpolen blevet til en ø. Det skriver tre engelske aviser uafhængigt af hinanden på deres hjemmesider i dag. Isen smelter nu så meget, at både Nordøst- og Nordvestpassagen åbner hver sommer.

Ifølge professor Mark Serreze fra USA's nationale sne- og isdatacenter, NSIDC, smelter isen i Arktis hver sommer og åbner for nordøst- og nordvestpassagen. Det er første gang siden den sidste Istid for 12.000 år siden, at begge ruter er åbnet.

Det vil det tyske firma The Beluga Group benytte sig af. Næste år vil virksomheden sende et skib nord om Rusland, via nordøstpassagen og videre til Japan. Dermed kan turen til Østen forkortes med over 6000 kilometer.

Canadas premierminister Stephen Harper har tidligere krævet, at alle større skibe, som sejler gennem Nordvestpassagen, skal melde sig hos den canadiske kystvagt."

Bedøm selv
02-09-2008 21:49
Kosmos
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Det er første gang siden den sidste Istid for 12.000 år siden, at begge ruter er åbnet.

- jaså! Om ikke andet må der da siges at være tale om et ganske imponerende historisk overblik!
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